What? An EV Tahoe?

[steiny93]

I don't see full electric getting my attention until a next gen battery is utilized. Range, especially with respect to towing, is the main detractor for me. I'd be all over a plug in hybrid with ~75 miles of on board electric range and the 3.0L diesel coupled to a generator to keep batteries topped up and motors humming when range is exceeded or towing. Tune the engine to run at a fixed RPM that has been optimized for efficiency.

I'd like to have my cake and eat it too, please.

Today the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the BMW X5's both have a PHEV (plug in hybrid's) option which get just under 40 mile all electric range then gasoline like a regular car after the battery is empty. Per tank they effectively get 50mpg in a mid sized suv with 300+hp. Neither of those options use the gas engine to charge the batteries, only plug in.

 

[bunky319]

Will we use it for long trips, nope.
Will we use it for towing, nope.
Will we ever charge it someplace other then home, nope.

This is why we've had an EV in our garage for about 5 years. We currently have a Kia Niro EV in our garage that gets 240 miles on a full charge. We pretty much use it for everything (running errands, taking 1 or 2 kids to doctor/school, going to work, etc.) The only time we use our other vehicle (Subaru Ascent) is when we are taking trips or going out to dinner with the entire family. Unfortunately that Subaru is a little too small now when I have to take the full crew and grandparents.

I've been waiting for an allocation on a Yukon XL diesel but sometimes I'm really questioning myself. A $70K - $80K vehicle which will basically be sitting in the garage most of the time. But I know as the family grows we will need the larger vehicle more often, so I figure I might as well hang in there.

 

[GlockandRoll]

The Cybertruck's 500mile range will be perfectly adequate for me as I've taken maybe 4 trips in 6 years longer than that.
Plus, I can put 300 miles in it at a super-charging station in an hour.
Just find a super-charger near a lunch stop... problem solved.

 

[ZKWBQD]

Electric Tahoe On The Horizon?
https://www.silveradoevforum.com/th...will-be-an-important-model-for-chevrolet.142/

Remember, range specified is from 100% battery to a dead battery. You will be constantly reminded to keep your battery between 20% and 80%. That's 40% of the range OUT THE WINDOW to start with. The range is tested with ALL accessories off, air conditioning (-15%), heater (-20%), lights (-6%), Daytime Running Lights (-2%), radios (-0.6%), all OFF. To further complicate matters, governments will be mandating Internet connected car chargers at home. This way, they can, and WILL, shut off your car charger remotely at night or at other times when there's a lack of electrical power. Imagine arriving home with a 20% battery charge only to find out that government regulators have shut your charger off remotely. A good solution is to own 2 electric cars, one "available" for charging, and another one to drive.

 

[GlockandRoll]

Remember, range specified is from 100% battery to a dead battery. You will be constantly reminded to keep your battery between 20% and 80%. That's 40% of the range OUT THE WINDOW to start with. The range is tested with ALL accessories off, air conditioning (-15%), heater (-20%), lights (-6%), Daytime Running Lights (-2%), radios (-0.6%), all OFF. To further complicate matters, governments will be mandating Internet connected car chargers at home. This way, they can, and WILL, shut off your car charger remotely at night or at other times when there's a lack of electrical power. Imagine arriving home with a 20% battery charge only to find out that government regulators have shut your charger off remotely. A good solution is to own 2 electric cars, one "available" for charging, and another one to drive.

There is some truth to what you are saying, but it's wrapped into one big sensationalist shit burger.
EVs, particularly Teslas, are very easy to live with. If you are driving cross-country all the time, or don't have access to charging at home, they aren't really for you.


But, for most people, they win out handily.

 

[Brand0n]

Remember, range specified is from 100% battery to a dead battery. You will be constantly reminded to keep your battery between 20% and 80%. That's 40% of the range OUT THE WINDOW to start with. The range is tested with ALL accessories off, air conditioning (-15%), heater (-20%), lights (-6%), Daytime Running Lights (-2%), radios (-0.6%), all OFF. To further complicate matters, governments will be mandating Internet connected car chargers at home. This way, they can, and WILL, shut off your car charger remotely at night or at other times when there's a lack of electrical power. Imagine arriving home with a 20% battery charge only to find out that government regulators have shut your charger off remotely. A good solution is to own 2 electric cars, one "available" for charging, and another one to drive.

Where has “the government” been considering this?

 

[DuraYuk]

There is some truth to what you are saying, but it's wrapped into one big sensationalist shit burger.
EVs, particularly Teslas, are very easy to live with. If you are driving cross-country all the time, or don't have access to charging at home, they aren't really for you.


But, for most people, they win out handily.

We own a mach e gt and owned Teslas before including a model 3 performance. You lose a ton of range at interstate speeds. Anything 70mph or higher drastically reduces range. I'm not sure why more people don't talk about this. For in town it's fine but long distance at highway speeds you need 500 miles of nominal range so you get 370ish at those speeds. 300 miles nominal will get you about 170 to 200 at interstate speeds. Take that into consideration !

 

[Doubeleive]

Where has “the government” been considering this?

it's going to go far far beyond that, that's just a piece of the pie, just think how much gas tax they get every day do you think the government is going to give that up? lol
if you think for one minute you are going to save any money driving electric think again, it may be so now but it will change, your going to be tracked and recorded, they are going to control all traffic. then the plan down the road is you won't even own a vehicle you will just be a money tree
legislation for some of this is already being tried, google is your friend (for now). AI will either makes us better or it will kill us.
you might think i'm joking or lost my mind..... not a chance

New Bill Would Mandate Speed Governors and Set Limits on Huge SUVs on NY Streets by 2024 - Streetsblog Empire State

Sen. Brad Hoylman introduces what he says is a first-in-the-nation effort to make active safety technology standard on new cars.

nyc.streetsblog.org

 

[DuraYuk]

it's going to go far far beyond that, that's just a piece of the pie, just think how much gas tax they get every day do you think the government is going to give that up? lol
if you think for one minute you are going to save any money driving electric think again, it may be so now but it will change, your going to be tracked and recorded, they are going to control all traffic. then the plan down the road is you won't even own a vehicle you will just be a money tree
legislation for some of this is already being tried, google is your friend (for now). AI will either makes us better or it will kill us.
you might think i'm joking or lost my mind..... not a chance

New Bill Would Mandate Speed Governors and Set Limits on Huge SUVs on NY Streets by 2024 - Streetsblog Empire State

Sen. Brad Hoylman introduces what he says is a first-in-the-nation effort to make active safety technology standard on new cars.

nyc.streetsblog.org

Um what ? They already track everything you do with your cell phone and social media. Yeah gas tax is a thing but they could just make a electric tax. Electric cars are extremely simple. iCE vehicles are much more complex. If anything we are going backwards from a tech standpoint.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[CMoore711]

This thread tho…

I’ve got some more reading to catch up on but it’s full of so much win good banter, useful insight, and great input.

 

[Doubeleive]

Um what ? They already track everything you do with your cell phone and social media. Yeah gas tax is a thing but they could just make a electric tax. Electric cars are extremely simple. iCE vehicles are much more complex. If anything we are going backwards from a tech standpoint.

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

vehicle tracking and command and control will be a whole new thing in addition to what they already do and it will be monetized for advertising as well, hey stop by our restaurant (as you cruise by) in a public emergency they can just shut everyone down, close off a area, you name it all "electronically".
think a covid lockdown was bad, just wait....

 

[GlockandRoll]

vehicle tracking and command and control will be a whole new thing in addition to what they already do and it will be monetized for advertising as well, hey stop by our restaurant (as you cruise by) in a public emergency they can just shut everyone down, close off a area, you name it all "electronically".
think a covid lockdown was bad, just wait....

That can already shut your vehicle down right now through OnStar, and can listen to your private conversations, even if your phone is turned off.

 

[DuraYuk]

vehicle tracking and command and control will be a whole new thing in addition to what they already do and it will be monetized for advertising as well, hey stop by our restaurant (as you cruise by) in a public emergency they can just shut everyone down, close off a area, you name it all "electronically".
think a covid lockdown was bad, just wait....

All new vehicles are tracked. Most can be shut down remotely . Idk i may be one of the few people who enjoyed the lockdown. Got to spend time with my family catch up on things around the house. It was only a month anyways. Hell I could use a lockdown a few times a year lol.

 

[Doubeleive]

that stuff can be disabled currently, but it's going to get out of hand. I am not being an alarmist I am more a "realist". these are just things that we are going to have to deal with going forward. I am doing nothing wrong and therefore don't really care but it's going to suck in certain circumstances. I also think it's going to take a long time to get there maybe even after I am dead gone
my other thoughts are electric cars are going to put a lot of people out of work and out of business

 

[DuraYuk]

that stuff can be disabled currently, but it's going to get out of hand. I am not being an alarmist I am more a "realist". these are just things that we are going to have to deal with going forward. I am doing nothing wrong and therefore don't really care but it's going to suck in certain circumstances. I also think it's going to take a long time to get there maybe even after I am dead gone
my other thoughts are electric cars are going to put a lot of people out of work and out of business

Nothing to worry about. People said the same thing about computers. Change scares people. But society and economies adapt and over come.

 

[Summajet]

I am all for technology also but only it it has the bugs worked out first. GM can barely regulate electric voltages in their cars now. Good example of issues one will face is 2018 Malibu, electrical sensors constantly fail and car goes into safe mode. Until better ranges can be achieved when towing I prefer to use the ice in my yukon. Unfortunately the current clowns in Dc believe it will work. The grid cannot handle the load and it will show that as more are placed on the system. All of the manufacturers will switch and force this onto consumers as the Gov't will convert the ice fleets to EV.

The Uk know a this as they are having issues of diesel shortages and trying to stock firewood for the winter months. Germany is increasing the size of a coal mine and removing some wind turbines about 20 plus years old for coal mining. The war in Ukraine has exposed it not working and they are scrambling to keep people with power and heat during the winter months.

Meanwhile in Gotham City the clowns don't care about anything but themselves and continuing with their failed energy policies.
Do you really trust this guy having 46 years in the Senate and only accomplishing a failed Amtrak? Come on Man...

I can gas up my ice yukon in 10 mins. And get back on the road. I see on some other sites the people drinking the punch and trying to say things like,

The 40min charge allows them to eat, stretch and relax before getting back on the road.

I enjoy going on trips and if I see something scenic in the mountains i can stop. If not I can drive to the place for the night.

 

[DuraYuk]

I am all for technology also but only it it has the bugs worked out first. GM can barely regulate electric voltages in their cars now. Good example of issues one will face is 2018 Malibu, electrical sensors constantly fail and car goes into safe mode. Until better ranges can be achieved when towing I prefer to use the ice in my yukon. Unfortunately the current clowns in Dc believe it will work. The grid cannot handle the load and it will show that as more are placed on the system. All of the manufacturers will switch and force this onto consumers as the Gov't will convert the ice fleets to EV.

The Uk know a this as they are having issues of diesel shortages and trying to stock firewood for the winter months. Germany is increasing the size of a coal mine and removing some wind turbines about 20 plus years old for coal mining. The war in Ukraine has exposed it not working and they are scrambling to keep people with power and heat during the winter months.

Meanwhile in Gotham City the clowns don't care about anything but themselves and continuing with their failed energy policies.
Do you really trust this guy having 46 years in the Senate and only accomplishing a failed Amtrak? Come on Man...

I can gas up my ice yukon in 10 mins. And get back on the road. I see on some other sites the people drinking the punch and trying to say things like,

The 40min charge allows them to eat, stretch and relax before getting back on the road.

I enjoy going on trips and if I see something scenic in the mountains i can stop. If not I can drive to the place for the night.

Yeah this is a automotive forum. No need for politics.

War in Ukraine showed you need to be energy independent. Green energy can accomplish that.

Solid state batteries have charging times of 10mins or less. Many of the current evs have fast charging 30 mins or less.

Europe is getting squeezed by Russia. Has nothing to do with green energy policies..

Anyways wish you luck man..

 

[Doubeleive]

Nothing to worry about. People said the same thing about computers. Change scares people. But society and economies adapt and over come.

A electric car is a computer, computers have wiped out entire industry's and changed society and are still hard at work taking more jobs

 

[GlockandRoll]

A electric car is a computer, computers have wiped out entire industry's and changed society and are still hard at work taking more jobs

EVs are actually much less mechanically complex than ICE vehicles are. Both have computers, and both could theoretically be shut down remotely.
Both could be re-programmed to disable that feature, pull the transceiver/daughter card out, etc.

You are kind of stretching in your complaints about EVs, when it's very easy to be objective and say why you don't like them.
Just stick to the facts:
1. They are incredibly expensive.
2. You have range anxiety (which is real).
3. You worry about the risk of a battery fire. (Even though it's MUCH less likely for an EV to catch fire than an ICE vehicle, the fact remains that it is much harder to put them out.
4. You worry about charging availability/infrastructure.

 

[Doubeleive]

EVs are actually much less mechanically complex than ICE vehicles are. Both have computers, and both could theoretically be shut down remotely.
Both could be re-programmed to disable that feature, pull the transceiver/daughter card out, etc.

You are kind of stretching in your complaints about EVs, when it's very easy to be objective and say why you don't like them.
Just stick to the facts:
1. They are incredibly expensive.
2. You have range anxiety (which is real).
3. You worry about the risk of a battery fire. (Even though it's MUCH less likely for an EV to catch fire than an ICE vehicle, the fact remains that it is much harder to put them out.
4. You worry about charging availability/infrastructure.

I don't really have any anxiety's about them other than we do get out and about quite a bit and I can drive 20-30 minutes from here and there is practically no services, electric or otherwise in that respect there is a range issue of quit simply it won't make it that's not a anxiety it's a reality. So for around town one may be fine. My electric bill is already crazy high in fact it's the highest bill in my household beside what I pay for rent, it remains to be seen if it would really be any cheaper to charge it from home cost versus about $400 a month on gas that I typically spend. that is excluding initial cost of the vehicle I certainly would not go out and buy one for $60-80-100k+ just to save a few bucks on gas cost around town that's idiotic thinking, i am mostly looking at it from a broad viewpoint as a whole, the infrastructure is not there for it. the cost of installing a high capacity charger for public use is $100k plus, the permit process to even get it done is byzantine, nobody wants to work still.
I don't hate nor like them I just don't think it's being approached properly, regenerative power should be a thing, the power to charge all these things has to come from somewhere yet to be seen. I think at some point it's going to snowball too many cars and not enough chargers.