Black bear vs Hyper tech

[felskee]

Which is better tuner? blackbear or hypertech max energy?

[haks310]

LoL

BlackBear hands down, you can't even compare the two.

[BlizzardX23]

Yep..

BlackBear is to Hypertech

as

Lamborghini is to Prius

[felskee]

but what makes it the best tuner?

[steven johnson]

blackbear or wester (canada) - which is better

[Chevyrider619]

I have hypertech tuner myself,and its ok but,i'm going to try blackbear...

[Brandon X]

Well, ive never tried Hypertech, but I do have a BB Tune on my tahoe and all I can tell you is it is the BEST mod ive done to my engine.

[blueflamed03]

BB

[AtomicHoe094]

Yep..

BlackBear is to Hypertech

as

Lamborghini is to Prius

nice analogy guy :) lol

[2 E L O]

Hypertech is pretty much a waste in regards to gas mileage or performance. It is handy to recalibrate tire sizes...but that's about the only useful function.

I have the Hypertech and wish I would have done Blackbear instead. Eventually, I will. :)

[foreverfalcon40]

OK...

Hypertech is just changing basics like fuel and tire size.

BB

Can change shift pionts according to driving style.
Can add fuel and have your engine efficiently burn it.
Can make adjustments to the PCM to make sure all of your mods are efficiently used!

If you can get a inperson tune I highly recomend!

BB for life!

[bowtiefreak]

A custom tune is the way to go. I have a Hyper tech programmer that I can't give away.

[blizz]

A custom tune is the way to go. I have a Hyper tech programmer that I can't give away.

is that right? he he he....we need to talk. my tahoe has never felt right since going with bigger tires. it actually came with 245s and when i put on these 285s, it just felt different with shifting, the speedo was off etc. how much do you want for it? this would be until i get my BB which i'm not getting till i do my headers and muffler.

[bass1775]

I had a hypertech tune, I thought it was okay but, there were some areas that still needed tweaking and that is the difference with the BB tune that I got today. It's a custom tune taking into account mods that have been added and your preferences plus your driving style. Big difference my engine feels like its freed up, its running better than it did when it was new. Get one you will not be dissapointed.

[vjr021]

You guys and your black bear.... You neglect to ask what the person is looking for out of a tune... one time tunes are great, but lack the options a hand held tuner gives you.

I swear by my Superchips programmer... Especially if you are under warranty... BB tune will void your GM warranty, while the SC tuner you can bring back to stock in 10 mins and the dealer will never know it is there.

also, you have options for towing, performance, economy, lower octane, etc.

SC even has an option for multiple VIN's on one tuner, so if you have a Vette, you can use it on that as well, or more than one truck at a time.

SC stores your ECU in their servers, so if you ever have an issue (tuner breaks, stolen, etc) you can get your factory tune back.

SC tunes you can also change shift points, firmness, etc. You can adjust the speedometer to compensate for bigger wheels/tires. This allows your ABS and speedo to be accurate.

SC cortex also comes with a two year powertrain warranty.

And regardless of what BB says, SC WILL work with you on a custom tune to accommodate performance upgrades.

BB tunes are great, but are limited to being tied to BB for everything. Make sure before you recommend someone a product you find out what their needs are...

[bai78]

...And regardless of what BB says, SC WILL work with you on a custom tune to accommodate performance upgrades.

BB tunes are great, but are limited to being tied to BB for everything. Make sure before you recommend someone a product you find out what their needs are...

I never recalled BB saying SC wouldn't work with you on a tune. There is help/support for the product. Also, I recall reading that Nelson Performance has teamed with SC to make his services available to SC owners.

BB tunes are not tied/limited to only Justin doing your tune. Unlike Wheatley he does not lock his tunes so if you have EFI Live you are able to make modifications and even consult BB before doing so.

[JennaBear]

You guys and your black bear.... You neglect to ask what the person is looking for out of a tune... one time tunes are great, but lack the options a hand held tuner gives you.

I swear by my Superchips programmer... Especially if you are under warranty... BB tune will void your GM warranty, while the SC tuner you can bring back to stock in 10 mins and the dealer will never know it is there.

also, you have options for towing, performance, economy, lower octane, etc.

SC even has an option for multiple VIN's on one tuner, so if you have a Vette, you can use it on that as well, or more than one truck at a time.

SC stores your ECU in their servers, so if you ever have an issue (tuner breaks, stolen, etc) you can get your factory tune back.

SC tunes you can also change shift points, firmness, etc. You can adjust the speedometer to compensate for bigger wheels/tires. This allows your ABS and speedo to be accurate.

SC cortex also comes with a two year powertrain warranty.

And regardless of what BB says, SC WILL work with you on a custom tune to accommodate performance upgrades.

BB tunes are great, but are limited to being tied to BB for everything. Make sure before you recommend someone a product you find out what their needs are...

I am not quite sure where you came up with the "no matter what BB says" quotes but I will leave that one alone.

With the SC "tuning", how do you, as the owner, command that you want to add 5* of timing at 3000rpm and the airmass equivalent of 1/3 throttle, 1.5* at 1500rpm and full throttle and 6* at 5000rpm and full throttle? How do you compensate for the airflow measurement difference due to an aftermarket air intake (completely different than just fudging the fuel delivery via injector modifying)? How do you adjust your shift pressures to be firmer or softer at only one specific torque range, or alter your part throttle shift parameters? etc, etc.

My point with this is that the "user-tunable" options are not all that they are cracked up to be and as you have stated, you need to contact a SuperChips in order to get any sort of custom work. Will SuperChips work off of datalogs or just off the cuff?

Last note, why is it that you say a BBP tune voids the warranty?

[Yuke2K]

I am not quite sure where you came up with the "no matter what BB says" quotes but I will leave that one alone.

With the SC "tuning", how do you, as the owner, command that you want to add 5* of timing at 3000rpm and the airmass equivalent of 1/3 throttle, 1.5* at 1500rpm and full throttle and 6* at 5000rpm and full throttle? How do you compensate for the airflow measurement difference due to an aftermarket air intake (completely different than just fudging the fuel delivery via injector modifying)? How do you adjust your shift pressures to be firmer or softer at only one specific torque range, or alter your part throttle shift parameters? etc, etc.

My point with this is that the "user-tunable" options are not all that they are cracked up to be and as you have stated, you need to contact a SuperChips in order to get any sort of custom work. Will SuperChips work off of datalogs or just off the cuff?

Last note, why is it that you say a BBP tune voids the warranty?

vjr021 = owned. Voids the warranty? You clearly know nothing about BBP, thier products or their tuning.

How about you read the website before you start spouting crap that you can't back up? I'm not saying that BBP is THE tune for everyone, because it's not. That being said, they sure have been good to me (as well as countless other people on this forum), and can do an awful lot with EFI Live. Justin and Jenna are two of the most stand up people I've worked with - if there is something they honestly cannot do that superchips or anyone else can, I've not heard of it.

How about you enlighten me as to what Superchips offers over BBP? If you need to change something, all you need to do is e-mail Justin or Jenna, AND THEY CHANGE IT FOR FREE. They reprogram another PCM with your tune + the changes, and you return the core. You're out shipping, big effin' deal. It might take a little longer, but the quality of the product makes it worth the wait for 99% of their customers.

[bowtiefreak]

Get him Jenna. She makes a damn good point too. Find the thread where I posted a dyno sheet and some numbers. Not sure if I mentioned it in that thread but the base line number were WITH the hyper tech programmer and the custom tune was a huge jump.

[destroyer1362]

Get him Jenna.

:Get him!:

[puckhead]

Just to adding a plus 1 to BBP. Fully customized to YOUR vehicle. FREE re-tunes. It does not void your warranty and if your relay worried swap in your stock CPU if you kept it. Sure you cant change something on the fly (I heard they are trying to get one that you can...maybe, might be a rumor) but its already optimized to your vehicle so you dont have to change anything

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And if I recall correctly Justin saves all your info on his servers.

[Yuke2K]

Yes, he does. Several redundant backup servers too, IIRC.

[vjr021]

Some points to note:

1. Any company offering custom fuel trims outside of the Carb or EPA specified ranges will red flag a vehicle at the dealership ad GM is more than happy to void the vehicles warranty. With Superchips, you can program your truck back to stock at your leisure, without leaving a trace in the ECU... Warranty saved...

2. The difference between companies such as Black Bear and Superchips is that with Superchips you are in control of your tuning options as you previously stated. With a Superchips hand held programmer you can adjust tuning levels and additional options at the push of a button, at your leisure, without the need for removal of your PCM to be send out every time you need a tweak to your settings or contacting someone else to upload settings to you.

3. Superchips is one of the few tuning companies that offers 100% carb approved programs and that's a big deal those who still have a warranty.

4. Superchips is also as easy to remove as it is to install. And it leaves no trace of programming in the PCM for the Dealership stiffs to find.

5. What happens when your Black Bear tuned vehicle has a problem requiring you to get service at the dealership? Most dealers these days either won't work on the vehicle because t is modified or they take you to the cleaners by voiding your powertrain warranty because you are using a non OEM flash that is not emissions legal.


Before you go and bash me, keep in mind, I am a fan of BB, not an enemy, I just feel like when you post you should keep in mind what everyone's end goal is...

BB tunes are awesome, and there is no way that many people can be wrong, but a lot of newbies are a little gun shy, or they are looking for some flexibility between towing, economy and performance.

Superchips offers a viable alternative to BB and each have their positives and negatives.

When users of this forum post questions we are supposed to relay our OPINIONS and EXPERIENCES so they can come to the conclusion that best fits THEIR needs... I know BB is a sponsor and have worked great for everyone that has one, but for me, and maybe FELSKEE, a handheld tuner would be the best option. Again it is up to him (her) to decide...

[JennaBear]

Some points to note:

1. Any company offering custom fuel trims outside of the Carb or EPA specified ranges will red flag a vehicle at the dealership ad GM is more than happy to void the vehicles warranty. With Superchips, you can program your truck back to stock at your leisure, without leaving a trace in the ECU... Warranty saved...

2. The difference between companies such as Black Bear and Superchips is that with Superchips you are in control of your tuning options as you previously stated. With a Superchips hand held programmer you can adjust tuning levels and additional options at the push of a button, at your leisure, without the need for removal of your PCM to be send out every time you need a tweak to your settings or contacting someone else to upload settings to you.

3. Superchips is one of the few tuning companies that offers 100% carb approved programs and that's a big deal those who still have a warranty.

4. Superchips is also as easy to remove as it is to install. And it leaves no trace of programming in the PCM for the Dealership stiffs to find.

5. What happens when your Black Bear tuned vehicle has a problem requiring you to get service at the dealership? Most dealers these days either won't work on the vehicle because t is modified or they take you to the cleaners by voiding your powertrain warranty because you are using a non OEM flash that is not emissions legal.


Before you go and bash me, keep in mind, I am a fan of BB, not an enemy, I just feel like when you post you should keep in mind what everyone's end goal is...

BB tunes are awesome, and there is no way that many people can be wrong, but a lot of newbies are a little gun shy, or they are looking for some flexibility between towing, economy and performance.

Superchips offers a viable alternative to BB and each have their positives and negatives.

When users of this forum post questions we are supposed to relay our OPINIONS and EXPERIENCES so they can come to the conclusion that best fits THEIR needs... I know BB is a sponsor and have worked great for everyone that has one, but for me, and maybe FELSKEE, a handheld tuner would be the best option. Again it is up to him (her) to decide...

I am in no means bashing you, so if it came across that way, I apologize. I will admit that I was not impressed with the fact that you quoted statements in our mouths that are not true and have never been said.

I also will point out that your points 1-5 are the same, and all dealer oriented (how many times to you go in for warranty work?). I understand that some folks like to have a handheld in their possession to see what is being sent to the ECM and I am totally fine with that. I

I will also ask how long it takes to upload a SC tune, as it only takes me 2 mins to swap my modules out. Honestly, I just tell the dealer to not touch my ECM/TCM and they are fine with that, most dealers have no idea what a tune is. As a matter of fact, we have quite a few customers that work at dealerships stating that the worse thing that would happen to a tuned vehicle coming in, would be a flash over the tune.

I agree with you, to each their own on tunes, however, you need to make sure that you aren't putting statements in someone elses lane that is untrue. If you look at all our posts, we have never once bashed a handheld of any brand, we just state the differences and the facts.

[chistoso]

I took my Tahoe in on various occasions for warranty and service work and not once was it questioned or brought up and never had an issue with my Blackbear tune being flashed. 98% of techs can't tell what a tune looks like. I had a Superchips on a previous ride and it was a cookiecutter tune. It didn't fully sit with what I wanted and what I had on my truck. There is no comparison between the two.. I don't think there is a one customer that is not happy with their BB tune and I can tell you of at least a dozen people I know who have gone with handheld tuners and they all have negative experiences with them..

[bai78]

When users of this forum post questions we are supposed to relay our OPINIONS and EXPERIENCES so they can come to the conclusion that best fits THEIR needs... I know BB is a sponsor and have worked great for everyone that has one, but for me, and maybe FELSKEE, a handheld tuner would be the best option. Again it is up to him (her) to decide...

What has your exerience been with a BBP tune on your vehicle as compared to SC?

[homedic3181]

Blackbear, the only thing hand held tuners are good for is pulling DTCs

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hey VJR, I however will take the opportunity to make an INCREDIBLE OFFER!!!! LIMITED TIME ONLY!!!! Instead of spending the $300+ on a handheld tuner, you pay me $150 and get me a liter of Jack Daniels, I'll pee in the gas tank of your truck and get you an equivalent horsepower and torque boost. I'm not saying BB is perfect for everyone either, but it's also not right to lead a noob into wasting money either. You pay less for BB tune and get ALOT more out of it.

[TahoeJim]

What's interesting is that this Blackbear tuning question is posed in the forums for us OBS owners, 99 and earlier.

VJR....what "warranty" would any of us have to worry about voiding out?

Perhaps your pro-dealer and "oh no, it's not CARB compliant!" rhetoric would be best saved for the 2007+ owners or some liberal hippy vehicle forum like the Prius owners relish.