McGaughys new product

[Badluck]

I was talking to Tim from suspension online tonight. He wanted me to let you nnbs guys know that McGaughys has a new adjustable strut that allows up to a 2" drop. For more info hit up Tim.

[Modded]

LoL they must have jacked that design from Belltech.

[NASTY GM]

LoL they must have jacked that design from Belltech.

Ditto :gathering:

[NORCAL SS]

wow that suprises me. I guess they saw how well belltechs have been doing.

[55belairtim]

no actually they built a coil relocator that uses the quality factory shocks not an offshore cheep shock that they pay 20 bucks to have made. whats a better strut a factory gm strut or an offshore cheepy. hey bells strut may have been the way you guys thought was best but after using them and having to replace one at 10000 miles i say thumbs down. and the guy at bell told me they wont replace the strut that went bad. all well thats what you get when you deal with them, i also know that they dont have any struts in stock because i tried ordering one from there distributer and they told me out of stock till end of febuary. i just started selling these new relocators this week and have already sold all 25 pairs i originally purchased from mcgaughys.

[NORCAL SS]

dam man thanks for the rip so all its doing is moving the spring lower down good idea.

so you know the belltech (offshore junk) is made by kw suspension in germany.

im glad you like the product and thats all that matters. You sold 25 sets cant wait to see the feedback from others here that got it. Its a good idea and priced very well im sure.

and so you know my comment above was meaning they had to do something to compete which would make them money which this does.

[55belairtim]

maybe but the guys before you make it sound like mcgaughys copies everyones stuff
heres facts
belltech copied mcgaughys spindle 2 and was shut down in federal court
djm copied mcgaughys spindle and was shut down in federal court
doestech (spelling) copied and a similar outcome came out of it
to this date i dont know why people assume mcgaughys copied everything they got i still have not seen them copy someone elses product they come up with a different way of doing something.
not baging you tony so dont think i am but the guys before you sure make it seem like mcgaughys copied somebodys product, and they havent even seen it yet they just jump to a conclusion.


a description of this item can be found here.
http://timssuspensiononline.com/COMINGSOON.html

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badlucks title kind of confuses you though.

[NORCAL SS]

maybe but the guys before you make it sound like mcgaughys copies everyones stuff
heres facts
belltech copied mcgaughys spindle 2 and was shut down in federal court
djm copied mcgaughys spindle and was shut down in federal court
doestech (spelling) copied and a similar outcome came out of it
to this date i dont know why people assume mcgaughys copied everything they got i still have not seen them copy someone elses product they come up with a different way of doing something.
not baging you tony so dont think i am but the guys before you sure make it seem like mcgaughys copied somebodys product, and they havent even seen it yet they just jump to a conclusion.
.

Tim quick question who said that djm and belltech copied mchaughys design? Was is someone at Mcgaughys? Id like to talk to them because ive heard this a few times and djm never even went to court over that and that is allways news to belltech

Since I sell both products and would love to find out if this info is all true.


So was the court case for the 99-07 spindles or the 07 up spindles??????????????????

if it went to FEDERAL court it can be accessed online? do you have any links??????????????


Thanks man same thing if I said someting about mcgaughys that wasnt true you would want to pinpoint who gave that info to me. Its just out of respect to other vendors.

[55belairtim]

your right about djm i forgot that they never when to court djm did sease and dismiss that they did not try to fight it
bell did get a court date but never got that far because of the lambo door case they had going already ( they couldnt afford 2 cases at once is the rumor) that's info i have from a few years ago. i do know that bell changed there design 2 times.i also know that bell does not have a lot of there employees left that would remeber these times its mostly a bunch of new guys working there. you can correct me if im wrong but one of there top employees they had has been working for mcgaughys for about 3yrs now and i think he worked at bell for over 15yrs
also its not who said its they did i think i still have a bell and djm copied spindle (that they no longer make)

[NORCAL SS]

yes he used to work at belltech and he knew abel there also (long story lol) I talked to him at sema.



Id like to find out some sort of paper work for all these court cases since it would be avil online especailly since you said its a federal case.

and it is about who said it because if its not true its not true. Ill call mcgaughys on monday and out or respect to all people djm/belltech/mcgaughys I want to find out whats going on. Ill just use this post as a reference for all parties. Is there someone at Mcgaughys I can speak to that you can direct me to?

Also please post the spindles your talking about which DJM would love to see also. DJM stamps and belltech stamps all their spindles and would be great to see how the copied parts look to put some proof behind what your saying. (if you think you still have them).

I'd just really appreciate it. I forwarded this link to DJM so they are updated on everything thats being said so we can get their names clear of these lies.

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Woah guys lets calm this down a bit here! :Handshake:
All the above compnaies aprt from Doestch whatever are good companies IMO, to me Belltech shocks stomp out McG ones, and then the McGaughys spindles I heard are better off than the rest simply because they actually offer a true 2" drop and keep better geometry.
As for which is a better company, I have no clue......:confused:

[NORCAL SS]

modded not saying whose is better who is worse. Tims a good guy but these lies that was told to him has to stop. Thats why all this is being forwarded to all companies i really want all the wrong info to be kicked to the curb once and for all.

good things go so far on the internet but lies/bad things go 10x farther

[Modded]

I feel you DJM, to much shit is being talked about every drop company, but McGaughys, and only because their spindles are better off than th rest to my knowledge?
That being said that does not make them the ish, their shocks are trash according to reviews everywhere online, they are pretty much Toxics, the DJM ones are pretty similar to the McG ones too making Belltech the best in shocks.
Then DJM has their whole thing on using the LCA/UCA to drop trucks, which people complain about because they go and overtorque something that is suppose to me moving up and down and think everything will be all good.
So maybe its just people having bad luck with certain drops?????

[NORCAL SS]

not sure what it is. People here know i take care of them and that means the most to me.


I just want the correct info to be presented since i sell both products.

Now back to the regular scheduled program. Ill have more info Monday from DJM/Belltech since they will be able to read this post and talk to whoever they need to talk to also im waiting back from Tim to tell me who I can talk to at Mcgaughys about everything that was said in this post.

[Modded]

I would like to see the results of this too!

[NORCAL SS]

Heres a big thread from a customer that bought the mcgaughys spindles

Well i guess i dont need to call McGaughys on Monday because I can see they actaully said the entire belltech/djm thing. Tim you should read this post also.

I've never heard of belltech or DJM wanting to sue a customer over parts they were not happy with and went on the internet to talk about it.
http://www.silveradoss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=22656&st=0

From McGaughys
"MYSELF AND MY ATTORNEES WILL BE WATCHING THIS
FORUM AND IF WE SEE ANYMORE SLANDEROUS STATEMENTS
FROM YOU I WILL SUE YOU WITH THE SAME ATTORNEES
WHO SUED DJM ONCE $ BELLTECH TWICE AND STOPPED BOTH OF THEM FROM CLONING MY SPINDLE.ASK EITHER COMPANY IF YOU THINK IM JOKING.

SIGNED MIKE MCGAUGHY"

and this was the cutomers replly back
"My reply

Have you ever heard of freedom of speech? First of all the little bump you are talking about is not all that was needed to be modified because I already knew about that. The problem I had with your spindle and the bigger brake package was that you guys had changed the distance from where the caliper mounts to where the hub itself mounts. Your spindles were off by about .070" from what the factory spindles where. This caused the caliper bracket to run into the rotor and at that point you were unable to tighten the caliper down the rest of the way because it still needed to go like another .050" to seat the caliper. I don't see how you get off telling people to mind their own business??? Especially when you state that Bell Techs spindles spindles are 2" taller. If this is the case then no they did not copy your "spectacular design". Bell Techs casting design isn't even close to being the same as yours, infact I lost turning radius when I installed your spindles. I did not lose any of that with Bell Techs spindles and my calipers sat straight and centered over my rotors. I don't really care if your upset because you no longer have a monopoly on the late model 1/2 ton pickups. GET OVER IT!

SIGNED JON "


mcgaughys reply back
JON-I SUGEST THAT YOU TALK TO A LAWYER ABOUT THE MEANING OF SLANDER.LIKE I SAID MY ATTORNIES AND MYSELF WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS FORUMN AND I WILL SUE YOU.

THE NEXT TIME WE HERE YOU TELL SOMEONE NOT TO BUY MY SPINDLES BECAUSE THEY ARE JUNK YOU BETTER BELIEVE YOU CANT HIDE BEHIND BEING MISTER BIG DEAL AS A MONITER OF A CHAT ROOM. WE ALREADY HAVE YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS TO SERVE PAPERS. MIKE "


and the customers jons reply back (im goin to talk to belltech to verify if this is correct)


" BTW I just got off the phone with Belltech and they tell me you never took them to court there was an agreement between you and them and they made some changes to their spindles and put a different part# on them. I have the freedom to say what I want when I want and you just shot yourself in the foot by sending me that e-mail because it will be on every truck site I can find, to show everyone how you run your company. "


Read post 26 also kinda sums up why customer was upset

[55belairtim]

theres a difference between ploitly saying
they took someone to fed court and someone saying that the parts are shit and garbage.
i could care less of who sues who. i just wanted to point out that these companies all copied mcgaughys spindles they all did at some point of time. they no longer do make the same spindle. bell got shut down on 2 different designs that infringed on mcgaughys patent, i believe both times were before kw owned the company.
as for that silvy ss deal that guy was one of the first guys to get an 05 silvy wiht a 13" brake package and the stainless clip hit the spindle. they offered to make right on it and he never let them get a chance that issue was resolved fast but he felt the need to shoot his mouth off on the website and say what he said.

[NASTY GM]

no actually they built a coil relocator that uses the quality factory shocks not an offshore cheep shock that they pay 20 bucks to have made. whats a better strut a factory gm strut or an offshore cheepy. hey bells strut may have been the way you guys thought was best but after using them and having to replace one at 10000 miles i say thumbs down. and the guy at bell told me they wont replace the strut that went bad. all well thats what you get when you deal with them, i also know that they dont have any struts in stock because i tried ordering one from there distributer and they told me out of stock till end of febuary. i just started selling these new relocators this week and have already sold all 25 pairs i originally purchased from mcgaughys.

I happen to like my cheap offshore struts much more than than the stock ones :manos:

[NORCAL SS]

Just like I say use drop struts instead of springs doing the lowering like this will lead to the stock struts going out a lot faster. On the 07 up trucks with springs the stock struts ride great then after 2-3 k miles ride starts changing and its not due to the spring its due to the stock shock valving getting screwed up cuase the shaft is so far into the shock.

How much is the kit anyway shipped to someone in the lower 48 states like 50-60 bucks??





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theres a difference between ploitly saying
they took someone to fed court and someone saying that the parts are shit and garbage.
i could care less of who sues who. i just wanted to point out that these companies all copied mcgaughys spindles they all did at some point of time. they no longer do make the same spindle. bell got shut down on 2 different designs that infringed on mcgaughys patent, i believe both times were before kw owned the company.
as for that silvy ss deal that guy was one of the first guys to get an 05 silvy wiht a 13" brake package and the stainless clip hit the spindle. they offered to make right on it and he never let them get a chance that issue was resolved fast but he felt the need to shoot his mouth off on the website and say what he said.



its ok man im just pointing out that a suspension company that would sue some customer because he said bad things about their product (just like you said smack on your above post about belltech struts) is not cool and the first ive ever heard of a company doing this.


also it NEVER went to federal court and its ok ill have all the updated info on what REALLy happened to clear this all up next week.

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Ok after reading this i'm a bit confused. I do know that the 00-06 and then, 07-Up McG spindles are different in design, so that problem with the caliper must not be in our 07-Up Tahoe concerns. Also Tim I think the main reason why this argument started is because you called DJM's strut an offshore cheapy? The best way to decide if this is true is for someone to review your new strut relocators and sww how it rides and etc.
I do know that springs do ride good enough when used to drop the front, probabaly only if you get it from Eibach, Pedders and/or Ground Force (only because they are about comfort/dropping, and not slamming trucks), everyone else's front drop spirngs do not measure up to these, inc. Belltech and McG (which are said to sag but I have never heard of it happenning on a Tahoe strut).
I would hate to get sued by McG for bashing their product lol, but it seems like thats all JB (GMFS user) does when I read his posts lol so I guess he's next.

[NORCAL SS]

No this started when he called the belltech cheepy which many people here and on the other sites i sell these to will back up what i said and that they are not.

this entire spindle thing is not from the new 07 up its from the 99-06 spindles and we can see what McGaughys said to the customer in the sss.


modded many of the trucks i do doesnt matter belltech/djm springs/mcgaughys on customers rides on the 07 up trucks they start off ok and then slowly rides gets worse and worse especaillly with 2 inch drop springs. I have a buddy at dealership here i can get warranty on stock struts (which other dealers wont do if you use drop spring or this kind of lowering here) and we pop in the new struts and customers like oh many this rides a lot better and then slowly but surely ride starts going bad again

Stock struts are not meant to lower 2 inches on. Sure companies make the drop parts and i sell it but i warn the customers about this and the drop sturts are pretty much almost the same amount as the springs.

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BTW Tim did you find the belltech and djm spindle that you said was copied from Mcgaughys??? Please post up pics.

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I get what your saying about the cheapy thing, I don't even know who desgined those struts but they look quality enough to me, I would have got them but it was too late lol.
Now for Tims relocators, I just wantto see how it rides, one advantage of the Belltech shocks is they compliment the stiffness large wheels can cause. On my life, I did not notice a change in ride going from 20s, to 24s!! Maybe its because my front shocks are Bilsteinds and the rears are Belltech SP, so I would like to see someone try Tims relocators and see how it rides with stock.aftermarket wheels, pretty sure it will be good too.

[NORCAL SS]

yah id like to also see how it rides after more miles is put on them also.


also how much do they cost compared to the belltech drop struts? The belltech struts are about $200 shipped. im guessing like i said prob 50-60 shipped

[Modded]

If its anywhere cheaper than $120 people are going to hop all over it because of the price. But then what the review on them is, is what really matters!!

[NORCAL SS]

yes long term review :) im sure its a lot cheaper than $120

[NORCAL SS]

Tim did you find the knock off Belltech and DJM spindles you said you had yet?? Can you post up pics please?

[NORCAL SS]

i forgot yesterday was Sunday you guys were prob closed. Hopefully today we can get pics of those DJM/Belltech knock off spindles you have.

[NORCAL SS]

just a update i talked to DJM today got all my story str8 lol


DJM has never been sued or anything by Mcgaughys at all. I talked to someone at DJM said the spindles were made for 2 or 3 months (my fault on that one) but the a arms were a better seller so they went with them and they said it aligned much better with the a arms. No one talked to them about copying or getting sued and being sued is the first they ever heard.



Im waiting to hear from belltech about this also.

[Modded]

Oh ok so they made spindles, they might as well should have kept making them.
But yeah lets see what Belltech says....

[NORCAL SS]

due to it not aligning and 2 other companies selling spindles it wasnt a money making option to them. The a arms were selling 10x better than the spindles so they tossed the spindles stuck to arms like the do now also

[Modded]

How messed up those a spindle design have to be for it not to align, sounds like just a straight faulty design.
The only issue is those A-arms are expensive as hell.

[NORCAL SS]

not sure but their other spindles are fine.

[55belairtim]

i forgot yesterday was Sunday you guys were prob closed. Hopefully today we can get pics of those DJM/Belltech knock off spindles you have.

no i was open just didnt have time to be on the internet had 2 customers cars i was working on.
heres the pics

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/117/l_e2005b971d914b0c82f4a88cd7f4512c.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/137/l_19e76c101a674bf79ed35e81fb787f4d.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/149/l_78fd83f9b4f04157b2227c563b3f8251.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/141/l_2a72114dd6804aeb9c71e5c78bf26bd1.jpg

it is of my opinon that both these companies took the mcgaughys spindel and had a mold made from it. they look too much alike at least djm made a hole through the spindle down near the ball joint boss but besides that its idenical in my opionion

i hope this shows you guys that i dont lie make up stuff just to get sales. as was implied by someone on here.

[Modded]

Yeah you were right, those do look alot like the McG spindles, they also ran the same lock nut/upper hub bolt design the McG one runs.
Also, that DJM spindles looks nasty lol.....

[NORCAL SS]

never said you made it up just way it all went down i wanted proof thats all.

now as for the lawsuit like i said what was the result on the paper work cause anyone can sue someone and then gets dropped in court?

[55belairtim]

i never said they sued them just that they shut them down federally for patent infringments. i never said they got sued that would mean they whent to court and there was an outcome from it. the papers were filed with the court system they got served (djm and bell) and they stoped making the parts. thats what happened.
i belive you said in one of your posts maybe not on here but gmfullsize i dont remember where it was that djm never made a spindle and they never heard of a lawsuite. well theres the proff
like i said, i never said they got sued just shut down federally.
thanks tim

[NORCAL SS]

read post 28 on the djm thing i posted above.

what is done is done. Belltech changed their design this applied to the old spindles and they still sell well. From what the paper work shows it was copied and then changed.

djm sticking to a arms and thats that. Thanks for clearing all that up for everyone and especially me tim since i sellt he parts and wanted to know the true story.

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How about DJM you give me some free A-arms, and then Tim some free spindles, and I will run them (1000 miles each) and give the best unbiased review, then return the loser of the review back to whoevers product is not as good to me? :hands:

[NORCAL SS]

i shold do that with the kbee coilovers. Just the spring rate is what im dealing with now on them but they lower up to 3 inches. I've sold over 180 sets for the trailblazer guys over 3 years nothing but good reviews and i hope to be doing the same for these 07 up trucks also

[Modded]

I'm down, how much will you estimate they run when they do come out?

[NORCAL SS]

625-650 shipped

here check out the Trailblazer SS ones they are nice

http://www.tbssowners.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=16

[Modded]

Damn, you have to run the arms with them too?

[NORCAL SS]

for the trailblazers you do but for the tahoes 2 inches you can still align.

[Modded]

I would def. need it on 3", someone needs to come out with a front 5" static bolt on drop for these Tahoes.:mexsmoke: