seriously thinking about adding the bottle

[tybardy]

So, like many of you, I want to go faster. I want to keep my truck a DD on the other hand so many of the mods I am thinking about doing are going to start making this truck less and less economical to drive as much as I do.

in comes a ZEX wet nitrous system. I can get the thing to my door for under $600, ready to install 100%. The ZEX system seems really nice to me because it has there "active fuel control." Basicly it adjusts the nitrous so that the truck is running optimally at all throttle points.

The bottle is between 70-175 shot...

This seems liek a good fit for me because i can turn the thing off and keep my truck as a DD, then I can turn it up to 175 and smoke JK and Chistoso :rocking: (at least that's the idea)

However I would like to know how many people have any experience with nitrous and even ZEX brand. How much does the spray wear on the motor? Im trying to weigh the pros and cons here

[blueflamed03]

it's addictive, so plan on bottle refills, be sure ALWAYS fuel delivery is up to snuff, and consider purchasing a torque converter with anti balooning plates in or, or you risk blowing yours up.
I'd rather have daily power, than a push of the button, then refill.
I say put that $600 into gears, converter, or cam.springs.

[Rollin Thunder]

it's addictive, so plan on bottle refills, be sure ALWAYS fuel delivery is up to snuff, and consider purchasing a torque converter with anti balooning plates in or, or you risk blowing yours up.
I'd rather have daily power, than a push of the button, then refill.
I say put that $600 into gears, converter, or cam.springs.

ditto.

Your going to run out when you need it the most.

[tybardy]

hahahaha its $3.50 per pound, I will prolly get a ten pound bottle. I am guessing a ten pound bottle will get me about 10-12 seconds worth of nitrous if I was to open it up to the full 175 shot.

I wonder how long it will run with it turned down to 70.

I just dont know... the bottle seems like such a fun addition to the truck. Its going in sooner or later... im just starting to lean towords sooner, like next! ahhahaha

Blueflamed, Im gonna have to look into that converter though. Looks like i need to do smoe more homework.

[blueflamed03]

yea, if you look around at converters, it says "with anti-ballooning plates for NOS".

[tybardy]

awsome, i will start my search

[OKLAGMCRUISER]

make sure yo uget a sticker for the side window for improved handling and to make you look cool too...lol...j/k I'm curious to see what a kit will run you.

:popcorn:

[tybardy]

you talking abour what the kit will cost?

http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp+Cams/249/82235/10002/-1

thats the kit i am looking at. I have a friend who told me to get ZEX if I want to spray. But if I'm going to do a converter that adds quite a bit more $$ to the mod

[OKLAGMCRUISER]

you talking abour what the kit will cost?

http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp+Cams/249/82235/10002/-1

thats the kit i am looking at. I have a friend who told me to get ZEX if I want to spray. But if I'm going to do a converter that adds quite a bit more $$ to the mod

ty...gulp.

[Yuke2K]

If you're craving some instant power, I say sure...but we all know that it's not gonna be the last thing you do. I say that if you were thinking about doing it at all, might as well do it now. But I do agree that you should go with a cam and gears.

I've really been considering throwing some 4.10s in mine. But every time I think about shit like that, I remember that I have a 6.0 sitting in a crate that I need a cam, springs, rockers and a TB converter for...

[blueflamed03]

when you have the added TQ, you can actually use less gearing.

[tybardy]

yea if i had a 6.0 sitting around, i would have a way different focus! that bitch would be on an engine stand awaiting more parts.

[blueflamed03]

LOL...amen Ty!

[coopiesb]

only experience i had with nitrious was a nx spray bar on my intercooler in my civic and with it sprayed it added soo much power.... but i would go with more all the time power before nitrous

[JennaBear]

Nitrous is like a girl with an STD: you want to hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences.

[coopiesb]

jenna coming throught with the funny on that one hahahaha

[tybardy]

Nitrous is like a girl with an STD: you want to hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences.

HAHAHAHA OMFG HILLARIOUS!!!

i am trying to learn about those consequences... I really like the idea of it though

since i got ya here jenna, is there any thing you guys do different with the tunes when NO2 is added?

[JennaBear]

Yes you would need a different tune. It will be dialed back at full throttle, so you will notice a difference in your day to day. This is why I think a cam/blower are better options for DDs.

[tybardy]

yes a cam/blower and so fourth would be ideal! but the difference in price is quite a bit

[JennaBear]

A cam and stall is cheaper over the long run and is safer than N20.

[tybardy]

yes the cam and stall wouldn't be terrible expensive, but the blower certainly would be!

like I said though, even if i get a cam, headers, stall, blower, and all that... I will be adding the bottle eventually.

i suppose i am just trying to explore my options... trying to find the middle ground between my ridiculously over zealous dreams and my very skinny wallet

[JennaBear]

Honestly, for you, I would suggest starting with a cam and move up from there as your wallet allows. Get a good DD cam, then get some headers, then get a stall. When you have enough in your piggy bank, then blow your load on a Maggie.

[tybardy]

so you think i should get the cam BEFORE the headers? I dont know why, but i thought the headers should come first... I have been doing a lot of research on the cams, i think i know what size cam i want, just trying to figure out what i need to go with the cam.

[JennaBear]

You can do either or whenever you want. What size cam are you going with?

[tybardy]

well i have been trying to educate myself and the best way to learn sometimes is to "act-as-if"

so i went to PT.net and started picking brains and i am leaning twords this comp cam that is a 206/212 and 112LSA (although right now i still dont understand what the lobe center angle is and how it pertains to power)

The guys at PT.net seem to think i need something more like a 210/218 though...

[JennaBear]

I would suggest calling a cam company rather than seeing what the folks on the forum suggest. The company will ask you what you are wanting out of the cam and will help you decide on the right one. The TR220 and the TR224 are the flavors of the month over at PT.net but aren't bad cams if that is the cam response you are wanting.

[tybardy]

yea I'm for sure not buying a cam sight unseen... i just hate not understanding, so i want to learn what all those numbers mean and how they correspond to power. ultimately when i finally buy the cam i would like to contact comp directly and get the info from the experts.

[JennaBear]

If you plan on contacting the cam company direct, I wouldn't worry about the numbers, they know what they are doing :Handshake:

[tybardy]

damn jenna, you had me thread jack myself!!! hahahaha and even worse, you made me forget how much i want NO2

[JennaBear]

You can thank me later!! :Handshake:

[road1will]

The zex is a great system. If used responsibly and tuned correctly it is not unsafe no unreilable. I know a guy who ran the piss out of an RX-8 with nitrous for 100,000 miles before rebuidlign the motor (and those motors are notorious for needing rebuilt every 50k miles with normal driving!)

I had a zex kit on my RX-8 for 20,000 miles before doing a blower. The nitrous cost $600 vs $5k for the supercharger and gave me very similar power, but just didnt seem as cool as having power constantly on tap, day to day. If you can afford the blower, do it. if not, nitrous is a perfectly good cheap power adder.

[tybardy]

that was exactly the logic i was using when justifying the zex system. i was also hoping i could alter my tune so that the Zex would only function when using the tow haul button. However i dont believe the tow/haul mode changes the fuel delivery at all so i dont know...

I think once i get serious about this (i.e. have the $600 laying around) i will have to talk a little more with Jenna and Justin about the tune that would be needed and what my options were, especially with the ZEX system. Because the ZEX is supposed to integrate with the fuel delivery system and adapt I would be curious to see what the tuning possibilities would be with a setup that is also electronically integrated.

[JKmotorsports]

This seems liek a good fit for me because i can turn the thing off and keep my truck as a DD, then I can turn it up to 175 and smoke JK and Chistoso :rocking: (at least that's the idea)



Haha, not after the boosted and cammed 6.0 swap:Big Laugh:
N2O is fun. Had a 150 shot on my Lingenfelter 383 camaro a while back. http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/jkmotorsports/nx.gif


Nitrous is like a girl with an STD: you want to hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences.
Haha, nice qoute, lol

[Yuke2K]

Nitrous is like a girl with an STD: you want to hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences.

OMFG that is the funniest shit I have heard in a long time on here. This is totally going in my sig! :lol::signs8::rotflmao::roflsquared:

[Max]

There are a few kits that would suit you much better, a buddy does machining for one of the major companies if you want I can see how cheap a wet plate system would be. I'm slapping a fuel pump in mine in preparation for the spray. I'm thinking 150shot should grenade my trans quickly, then I'll have an excuse to built it and toss a cam in this bitch along with some rod bolts and head studs for good measure. Do a LOT of research before jumping into a system, these trucks love a little squeeze tho.

[BlackDenali]

I had a 150 wet shot in my 330Ci and never had any issues.......but I had the nitrous installed properly with a window switch for safety, bottle blanket to keep the pressure up for a consistant shot and a custom nitrous tune by Active Autowerke. My brother had a 125 wet shot on his '95 M3 with over 140,000 on the clock and he never had any issues either but again, every precaution was taken and it was done correctly!

Nitrous is not as cheap as everyone expects it to be.....ie buy the kit and your running 9's!

My kit was $775 with window switch and bottle blanket and the custom tune was another $500 and that is not counting the clutch and flywheel upgrades I had to do to hold the extra power so it does get expensive quick. Don't get me wrong I am a huge nitrous fan because your car is a daily driver, basicly stock and you flip a switch and your otherwise stock car becomes a race car + I love the huge torque numbers you can put down with a wet shot.(BMW's need alot of help in that department) But on our big ass trucks with the slush box trannys and AWD/4WD Diffs I don't think a sudden surge of torque and horsepower will be accepted well by the tranny and diffs. My $.02



I wouldn't mind seeing someone work it out though........:popcorn:

[tybardy]

Haha, not after the boosted and cammed 6.0 swap:Big Laugh:
N2O is fun. Had a 150 shot on my Lingenfelter 383 camaro a while back. http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/jkmotorsports/nx.gif



Yea I heard all about the block...terrible... every time I try to step my game up, you fuckers are already a step ahead!!! hahaha

There are a few kits that would suit you much better, a buddy does machining for one of the major companies if you want I can see how cheap a wet plate system would be. I'm slapping a fuel pump in mine in preparation for the spray. I'm thinking 150shot should grenade my trans quickly, then I'll have an excuse to built it and toss a cam in this bitch along with some rod bolts and head studs for good measure. Do a LOT of research before jumping into a system, these trucks love a little squeeze tho.

The reason I thought the ZEX setup was nice is because of its active fuel control feature, of course I haven't really compaired it with many other kits. I am trying to gain a little more info from PT.net as they have a couple guys with spray. I am certainly interested in what supporting mods would be recomended or required to do the spray correctly. The idea is that I am wanting to drop dime on headers and a cam which will run nearly a G... so i was thinking about getting the bottle instead...

another question... is it pretty much agreed upon that a wet system is a better way to go then a fogger system?

[Max]

A wet system is a fogger system, though I prefer a plate kit since it creates even atomization and I like how the engine covers hide the plate. Just stay away from a dry system, I don't like the Zex systems either Nitrous Dave sells a brand X kit for way cheaper :cheers:

[Yuke2K]

Well really man if you think about it, you're saying $600 for the N20 kit...plus whatever supporting mods you need to accomodate it - but headers and a cam are only $400 more than that and will give you much more usable every day power.

IMO, I say save your coin for another month or two and throw down for the cam and headers, then talk to max about putting together a nitrous kit. But again, I feel your pain on wanting instant power...I just don't think it will be as cheap as you were expecting, and I think you'd be happier with the cam and headers in the long run. Just my .02 as usual though.

[Max]

+1 on the longtubes and cam. Cam swap is easier than you'd think, then see how you feel about the bottle.

[tybardy]

+1 on the longtubes and cam. Cam swap is easier than you'd think, then see how you feel about the bottle.

yes i suppose this seems to be what everyone agrees upon when i pit the LT's and Cam against the bottle. Obviously its compairing apples to oranges but hey, im still compairing fruit right? ahhaa

I am just thinking to myself that when I add the LT's and Headers I will have more consistant power but probably not much more then 20 or 30hp would be my assumption. And with that comes the possible loss of driver comfort (headers making my truck unbearably loud and depending on the cam, MPG's and high end power could be adversly effected)

so still i contimpate... I wanna check out some of these other kits you speak of though... any reason you dont like the ZEX setup though? It came highly recomended from an "import" buddy of mine.

[Max]

Lol @ import buddy. Some of their dry systems are ok on imports but it's totally different on these trucks, build quality is my main concern with the Zex systems. Longtubes sound great with a nice exhaust, why the fuck did you start modding your truck if you wanted it quiet?

[blueflamed03]

LT's can lower exhaust levels, I have heard on a few instances. But kill a motor, then your expenses go up quickly.

Like the old saying at the track..."if you don't run 11's on motor, your not ready for NOS.."

[tybardy]

Lol @ import buddy. Some of their dry systems are ok on imports but it's totally different on these trucks, build quality is my main concern with the Zex systems. Longtubes sound great with a nice exhaust, why the fuck did you start modding your truck if you wanted it quiet?

hahaha i know, im just trying to justify over here! I want more power in a hury... and on demand would be sweet

[oreowizard98]

I agree with majority. I built my Trans Am w/ LS1 and put the bottle to it. It was a LOT of fun. Until I had to start refilling the bottle all the time. Like an earlier post stated, Its addictive!!! I rode in a buddies who had H/C/I and he had as much power as i did and it was on tap all the time. I wish I had gone that route. My advice is Cam and headers with a good Tune.

[kickitandholdit]

nos is an oxygenator and allows you to pack more fuel and all that technical crap wich gives power from what i understand. using nos on a stock engine is not a good idea. if used wrong you can burn the pistons and trash the engine in a tank of gas. these engins are not designed to handle super chargers and nos and all theese horendus power adders. i dont recomend using these power aders unless you got a top to bottom built engine that can handle it and supose you had a engine like this you would need to build the rest of you drive train to handle the engine. i would hold on to that $ until you did alot of reasearch. blowing the engine on the car you depend on every day is not cool.

[JennaBear]

nos is an oxygenator and allows you to pack more fuel and all that technical crap wich gives power from what i understand. using nos on a stock engine is not a good idea. if used wrong you can burn the pistons and trash the engine in a tank of gas. these engins are not designed to handle super chargers and nos and all theese horendus power adders. i dont recomend using these power aders unless you got a top to bottom built engine that can handle it and supose you had a engine like this you would need to build the rest of you drive train to handle the engine. i would hold on to that $ until you did alot of reasearch. blowing the engine on the car you depend on every day is not cool.

Oxidizer :Handshake: