Looking to purchase a CAI

[BigRed76]

I have an 08' Denali and wanted to know what is the best intake out there for it. Also .... does anyone have (or can someone please shoot) a short video of what the intake sounds like when you turn off the car with the hood open? I remember years ago installing a CAI and when I turned off the car you heard a hiss that I was told was the air rushing out (not sure if I was being fed $hit or if that was true) but want to hear an actual intake LIVE .... thanks in advance!

[WICKEDOWESIX]

Some of them do make a nosie at shut down (K&N) or similar. You should look into AEM Brute ForceDry Flow filter, it does not make any sound on shut down. It is a great CAI and made the most power on the dyno when compared to the K&N, Fram, Outlaw, GMPP CAI. Good luck!

[Conor]

Not sure what sound you are talking about at shut down? I have had the best in both Volant and K&N and never heard anything at shut down. Both intakes are great, highly recommend either of the two. AEM is also a good product, I have never ran one in a truck, but I have in other cars that I have owned. To be honest, I dont think there is any real HP differences between the "GOOD" CAI's. Just get one with an enclosed air filter box, otherwise you suck in to much hot air which defeats the purpose of a CAI

[WICKEDOWESIX]

Not sure what sound you are talking about at shut down? I have had the best in both Volant and K&N and never heard anything at shut down. Both intakes are great, highly recommend either of the two. AEM is also a good product, I have never ran one in a truck, but I have in other cars that I have owned. To be honest, I dont think there is any real HP differences between the "GOOD" CAI's. Just get one with an enclosed air filter box, otherwise you suck in to much hot air which defeats the purpose of a CAI

Not quite so. We dyno tested several CAI and there are power differences between them. Also the whole "eclosed" air box deal is not true. My IAT are 5* above ambient temps and its open element filter.

[Conor]

Interesting. I think I would have to see it to completely believe that.

[WICKEDOWESIX]

Interesting. I think I would have to see it to completely believe that.

What is it that you need to see? If you want to see the dyno graphs and all the logged data go on silveradoss.com and under the bolt on section it is a sticky there about it titled CAI WARs.

[jee123]

i started with the airaid tube and a k/n drop in filter. it made the engine louder. i just installed an afe stage 1 kit..its pretty much a closed box with cone filter..now my truck seems more quiet..i am pleased..no hissing but i know what you are talking about, my 95 yukon did that. if you get something enclosed you shouldnt hear much

[emann_01]

I am happy with my Vararam intake...I wrote a review when i installed it...

[BC Lightning]

Not quite so. We dyno tested several CAI and there are power differences between them. Also the whole "eclosed" air box deal is not true. My IAT are 5* above ambient temps and its open element filter.

It goes back to a LONG discussion on closed box intakes vs. open filters. IMO more air flow through an open filter is better than channeled closed off air flow because it restricts the amount of air

With that said, I replaced my stock paper filter with a K&N drop in filter. Only reason I didn't go with an open filter is they get dirty fast!!! Plus I get more power from my tune than I would ever get from an open filter and these trucks won't ever see the power levels that you really need an open filter for

[JennaBear]

Interesting. I think I would have to see it to completely believe that.

Art was helping at the dyno for the results I posted in my intake thread. :Handshake:

[Volant1]

bummer that the volant kit tested was the 15953 that we stopped making 5 years ago in real world conditions a closed box will out perform a open element kit any day, any one can get a high number with the hood open and a fan blowing on the filter. But dont take my word for it just look at everyones products now everyone is going to closed box CAI's

[JennaBear]

Who tested it? I would be interested in the results?

[Conor]

bummer that the volant kit tested was the 15953 that we stopped making 5 years ago in real world conditions a closed box will out perform a open element kit any day, any one can get a high number with the hood open and a fan blowing on the filter. But dont take my word for it just look at everyones products now everyone is going to closed box CAI's

Very interesting. That is what I have always thought, glad someone can finally back me up on that.

[JennaBear]

Anyone can get good HP numbers on a DynoJet, but IATs are what are really going to matter.

[WICKEDOWESIX]

bummer that the volant kit tested was the 15953 that we stopped making 5 years ago in real world conditions a closed box will out perform a open element kit any day, any one can get a high number with the hood open and a fan blowing on the filter. But dont take my word for it just look at everyones products now everyone is going to closed box CAI's

Everyone is NOT going closed air boxes. The real tests are INDEPENDENT parties so there is no biased results. We have dyno AND street tested serveral CAI and let me tell you my OPEN box CAI (AEM Brute force) is only 5* above abient temps. Also do YOU have any proof of what you are stating? Have YOU tested serveral CAI? Just curious.....

[Volant1]

A 5* above outside temp reading is going to change up and down as you drive so you cant base results off one reading, As for proof everyone in the intake ind knows one another we share parts, filters, ideas. its not like chevy vs ford where everything happens behind closed doors. We have s&b and AFE guys over here ALL the time we also buy there filters, As for closed box and everyone going to them AEM, K&N, Banks, S&B, AFE and every other real intake company currently and are producing closed CAI's

[WICKEDOWESIX]

A 5* above outside temp reading is going to change up and down as you drive so you cant base results off one reading, As for proof everyone in the intake ind knows one another we share parts, filters, ideas. its not like chevy vs ford where everything happens behind closed doors. We have s&b and AFE guys over here ALL the time we also buy there filters, As for closed box and everyone going to them AEM, K&N, Banks, S&B, AFE and every other real intake company currently and are producing closed CAI's

LOL.... I really hope you are joking. I never said that the 5* ambient temps would not fluctuate. Of course they are going to fluctuate with stop and go traffic and what have you. Aslo you never answered my questing about real world testing? What software do you use to log data on other CAI to compare different IAT?

[Volant1]

Not quite so. We dyno tested several CAI and there are power differences between them. Also the whole "eclosed" air box deal is not true. My IAT are 5* above ambient temps and its open element filter.

First time you stated "My IAT are 5* above ambient temps and its open element filter"

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Not quite so. We dyno tested several CAI and there are power differences between them. Also the whole "eclosed" air box deal is not true. My IAT are 5* above ambient temps and its open element filter.

Everyone is NOT going closed air boxes. The real tests are INDEPENDENT parties so there is no biased results. We have dyno AND street tested serveral CAI and let me tell you my OPEN box CAI (AEM Brute force) is only 5* above abient temps. Also do YOU have any proof of what you are stating? Have YOU tested serveral CAI? Just curious.....

As you can see you stated it twice so what I wrote was not a joke, We use autodyn30 software at volant

[WICKEDOWESIX]

Well that's too bad you can not take you autodyn 30 software on the street for some real street and track testing to log the IAT. For the record, the open element CAI outperformed the closed box CAI on every aspect metric from MAP, IAT recovery, power output......

[jee123]

how do you all feel about all enclosed but the side facing the fender? any diff?

[07Denali]

I am just going to cut a hole in my hood and stick a 4" piece of PVC pipe with a 90 degree elbow on it in to a hole cut in the top of my Volant CAI. (I will use silicone to seal it, no worries) How much HP are we really talking about here???? Mine sounds awesome and was the easiest install I have ever done on a CAI.

[JennaBear]

It isn't the HP...it is the IATs that matter.

[Volant1]

True but what I do have are thousands of customers that run test just like this one from around the world and tens of thousands of happy customers running my product can they all be wrong? We have also been awarded by SEMA several times, a tiny filter company called Donaldson call us and wanted Volant to be the aftermarket company running there new powercore filter that is also a OEM approved element running on the Z06, Duramax, Powerstroke fords etc as well as us military and hospitals, the GM performance kit for the 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 was based on volant part number 15953, There are talks of volant parts becoming an OEM option, Im pretty sure we are doing something right bro...

Ill stick to my point and maybe make a few more, first you and Jenna are correct its about temp and you cant base anything on a dyno, but what is not mentioned is 5* on a open element cai is going to be based on a short drive, in the morning, night, or a hot day, come on be real bro, our kits are in the middle east 120+* outside so volant can state there is no difference between in outside temp and AIT right? Do we? Have we? nope, You might notice we show no dyno graphs on our website even though we own a superflow this is because our numbers dont mean shit bro thats because you cant base anything on a single test on a single truck you have to take an average from all over your market area. Im in California my test here dont mean a damn thing to someone in NY CO FL PA even NV and AZ which are four hours away. I can go make great looking numbers in my tahoe out back in the parking lot using my tuning software with a bunch of intakes too if it would make you happy bro but what would that prove? I could sell a couple of intakes until next week when someone else does the same thing, do you have any idea how many mags what us to send product so they can do a dyno shoot out or how many customers what to do the same thing? There a joke bro, never the same, always a winner, loser, and two days go bye and theres another one totally different, intake company's find these test a joke do you think we buy other company's kits from keystone so I can see what there numbers are? Our kits sell themselves, I never said run out buy a volant were the shit, I just called bullshit on your post because thats all it is you proved that the second you said your 5* changes, And now you see that AEM makes closed air boxes just like EVERYONE else its like dry filters, times have changed im sure the wright brothers would have thought a turbine engine was bs too

[WICKEDOWESIX]

True but what I do have are thousands of customers that run test just like this one from around the world and tens of thousands of happy customers running my product can they all be wrong? We have also been awarded by SEMA several times, a tiny filter company called Donaldson call us and wanted Volant to be the aftermarket company running there new powercore filter that is also a OEM approved element running on the Z06, Duramax, Powerstroke fords etc as well as us military and hospitals, the GM performance kit for the 4.8, 5.3 and 6.0 was based on volant part number 15953, There are talks of volant parts becoming an OEM option, Im pretty sure we are doing something right bro...

Ill stick to my point and maybe make a few more, first you and Jenna are correct its about temp and you cant base anything on a dyno, but what is not mentioned is 5* on a open element cai is going to be based on a short drive, in the morning, night, or a hot day, come on be real bro, our kits are in the middle east 120+* outside so volant can state there is no difference between in outside temp and AIT right? Do we? Have we? nope, You might notice we show no dyno graphs on our website even though we own a superflow this is because our numbers dont mean shit bro thats because you cant base anything on a single test on a single truck you have to take an average from all over your market area. Im in California my test here dont mean a damn thing to someone in NY CO FL PA even NV and AZ which are four hours away. I can go make great looking numbers in my tahoe out back in the parking lot using my tuning software with a bunch of intakes too if it would make you happy bro but what would that prove? I could sell a couple of intakes until next week when someone else does the same thing, do you have any idea how many mags what us to send product so they can do a dyno shoot out or how many customers what to do the same thing? There a joke bro, never the same, always a winner, loser, and two days go bye and theres another one totally different, intake company's find these test a joke do you think we buy other company's kits from keystone so I can see what there numbers are? Our kits sell themselves, I never said run out buy a volant were the shit, I just called bullshit on your post because thats all it is you proved that the second you said your 5* changes, And now you see that AEM makes closed air boxes just like EVERYONE else its like dry filters, times have changed im sure the wright brothers would have thought a turbine engine was bs too

Can you show me on the AEM website where this closed box CAI is you speak of? You are local to me right. Let's meet up and you can ride in the passanger seat of my truck with the lap top in your hand and you can see the IAT while we drive for over an hour (different driving conditions) with both my current opent element AEM and your Volant closed box. Then we will see whats BS or not. There were serveral test done on thr CAI not just one. There may have been only one test vehicle which is the best to do to eliminate too many different variables and errors. Also actions speak louder that words so until GM actually uses Volant as a aftermarket alternative, its all BS to me.

[Volant1]

Im sure you have heard the AEM sold there intake division to another intake company and are just making electronics right? So would you like to see what they are now or what they were. And please dont come to my work, I think riding in a truck with you for two hours would be slightly more painful than shoe shopping with my wife, I know there are several test like I said above there never the same

[WICKEDOWESIX]

Im sure you have heard the AEM sold there intake division to another intake company and are just making electronics right? So would you like to see what they are now or what they were. And please dont come to my work, I think riding in a truck with you for two hours would be slightly more painful than shoe shopping with my wife, I know there are several test like I said above there never the same

Show me what ever it is you are talking about AEM and their "closed" CAI. I am sorry you have to deal with your wifes shoe shopping and even more so that you have to be with her when she is shoe shopping....

[Zed 71]

Based on Volant1's responses I will not buy their product. A vendor should not use the verbiage shown in this thread especially on a forum - no matter how volatile the subject matter is.

[BigRed76]

Well I want you to know that I just recently put in Volant's CAI in my truck and absolutely LOVE it. It is a very high quality product and one that their employee's clearly feel passionate about. I would stand behind their claims 100%!!

Based on Volant1's responses I will not buy their product. A vendor should not use the verbiage shown in this thread especially on a forum - no matter how volatile the subject matter is.

[Zed 71]

There are a lot of good products out there (and bad ones of course). Company representatives should discuss their products in a professional manner. This just shows the attitude toward potential customers and perhaps the manner in which customer service is conducted or product manufactured/tested. It may not be justified, but perception plays a big role in purchases. I for one will not give my money to a company that operates this way, and this has been shown in other threads/forums.

Just my two cents.

[JennaBear]

I am going to just put it out there, that I do not have a dog in this fight as we DO NOT SELL intakes. Our testing was merely to see what worked best in these vehicles, and we went at this with a completely open mind. We don't tell our customers what to buy and what not to buy, as it is up to the customer to buy what he prefers, we just put our testing info out there. We do however make offline suggestions when prompted.

These forums are to get info out to other enthusiasts, I would encourage Volant to become a Supporting Vendor here, as they seem to put a lot of time into this forum, it might be worth their while to make a monetary investment like the other Vendors.

I will say, as far as I know, AEM is not selling any closed box intakes, and there are quite a few vendors selling open elements. If this is not the case, please do point me in the proper location of this kit, as I would like to test that out as well.

No one is here to say whether or not one intake is far superior than the other, as all of us will admit, only thorough DOUBLE BLIND testing is the right way to properly get results. Only a third party that has no favor one way or another, can properly validate these systems. Which is why we posted our intake results. Danny, I am not sure why you said that we tested a specific kit, as we did not, not sure where you got that info from.

I would like to ask Volant if they have fixed the issues with the 09+ vehicles, and if that fix is indeed a new tube. If this is the case, then we will recommend our customers having problems to contact you, as they have merely been told to use the o-ring.

[Zed 71]

^ Always professional and a great vendor :). Are you guys setup at your new shop?

[JennaBear]

We are just here to help, not trying to cause any issues.

We should be moving sometime in June :party33: