Programmers - NOT CUSTOM

[TMoNeE]

Since the other thread is pretty much all "go with a custom" I just wanted to dedicate this one to over the counter ones.

I understand you guys really like black bear's tunes, but im really not interested. I like being able to change options on the fly, or go back to stock, without shipping, crank re-learning, whatever.

So I'd like to dedicate this to over the counter programmers. My buddy at 4wheelparts.com recommends the superchips tuner. Anyone have experience with it, or any other brand ones?

[blueflamed03]

Diablo........you can make more changes, the Superchip 2815 is set pretty much.

[Man Van]

Hptuners. They even have a message board.

[tybardy]

HPtuners is kinda like having a cutom tunner around all the time...

however, i have always understood diablo to be the best, and here is why.

Diablo, like all the others, have per-set peramiters that are unique to each year/make/model. you plug your programer in and begin making adjustments. this is the freedom you want. But what if it doesnt have a certain peramiter you are looking for? Well with diablo you also have the ability to get more peramiters downloaded to your programer from the diablo people to help make your experience just a little more custom.

all that being said, i dont know shit about can-programers but im sure they cant be that bad. I know exactly what you mean when you say you want to be able to make changes, this is why i would love to learn EFIlive and be able to tune my PCM myself. as for the crank re-learn, it is as easy as pie man...

Good luck finding a good programer. Im sure you wont be dissapointed.

[TMoNeE]

^^
Thx guys, some good posts, appreciate it. I will do some more research on the diablo and hptuner

[Man Van]

They are all available online. You go buy the credit online then download it. It's the same as the diablo. I'm a little partial to hptuners cause that's what most performance shops specializing in GM vehicles use around here(Dallas area) With the great success they have had tuning with the user friendly software and excellent customer service I just wouldn't go any other way.

[tybardy]

yes i tried swooping up an HPTuner about 6 months ago, it was on sale with credits on craigslist for like $50

[wmgood64]

Bully dog

[DenaliGrill.com]

Deep subject here...

I have a lot of experience working with Rick at www.SynergyMotorsports.net
in Northern California.
With all the capabilities of the on board computer, all you need is to have the vehicle dynoed, then tuned and re dynoed ~$400-450. The MAF, knock sensors, and the tune take care of everything.
This is not The Fast and the Furious where you are driving down the road and changing things on the fly.
You tune it for performance and drivability and leave it.
I had a chip module on my first 2000 Yukon XL and it was junk compared to having a professional tune with HP Tuners software. (the chip was before I knew Rick)
I've seen Rick get a 50+HP Gain from Z-06's + 2+ MPG and great drivability.

Rick built me a custom 408" Torque Monster for my C5 Corvette with a pretty healthy cam. He tuned it so I could let it idle through a parking lot in 1st gear, feet off the pedals and it was smooth as silk. I tracked that car and used it for a daily driver, with not one issue after it was tuned.

I hope this helps.

[Man Van]

Deep subject here...

I have a lot of experience working with Rick at www.SynergyMotorsports.net
in Northern California.
With all the capabilities of the on board computer, all you need is to have the vehicle dynoed, then tuned and re dynoed ~$400-450. The MAF, knock sensors, and the tune take care of everything.
This is not The Fast and the Furious where you are driving down the road and changing things on the fly.
You tune it for performance and drivability and leave it.
I had a chip module on my first 2000 Yukon XL and it was junk compared to having a professional tune with HP Tuners software. (the chip was before I knew Rick)
I've seen Rick get a 50+HP Gain from Z-06's + 2+ MPG and great drivability.

Rick built me a custom 408" Torque Monster for my C5 Corvette with a pretty healthy cam. He tuned it so I could let it idle through a parking lot in 1st gear, feet off the pedals and it was smooth as silk. I tracked that car and used it for a daily driver, with not one issue after it was tuned.

I hope this helps.
I think what the OP was refering to was road tuning. Meaning he can adjust changes after running some scans parked of course. Any good performance shop will rent out a dyno to you at X cost per hour. You make changes as needed, but the real benefit of a tuner is that you can make changes in real world situations. Dyno is only good for measuring hp not how the vehicle will respond while on the road.

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yes i tried swooping up an HPTuner about 6 months ago, it was on sale with credits on craigslist for like $50
DAMN that's a freakin steal. I bet it sold quick!

[tybardy]

yea no doubt, i get on craigslist every single day, so it couldnt have been up long, said he sold it hours earlier

[DenaliGrill.com]

Rick also plugs into the OBDII port and runs the vehicle in real world driving.

In my opinion, get a pro tune and let the cars computer adjust to the changing conditions. It can do it on its own much better than an in cockpit tuning box.
Unless you have years of tuning experience and HP Tuners software, you are wasting your time and endangering your vehicle.

[TMoNeE]

Yeah im not talking about F&F, im talking about being able to switch from say an economic setting to a tow setting to a performance setting depending on what im doing. Im not interested in it being just fast or whatever, I use mine for all kinds of stuff.

[JennaBear]

HPTuners or EFILive are good for folks that want to dig deep and figure out how to tune on their own. It is not for the faint of heart and takes time and patience, but it is possible! We use EFILive for our tuning services, they will be coming out with the AutoCal here pretty soon. Should be a slick little hand held for customers, we are currently testing the Beta versions.

[BlueTahoe2001]

What about the Hypertech III Programmer VS. DiabloSport Predator ?

It seems that they both offer tuning capabilities? Which would be better for the money? Both run about $349-$369.

[blueflamed03]

Diablo over Hypertech, IMHO.

[OKLAGMCRUISER]

Diablo over Hypertech, IMHO.

BIG WORD there...but for a little more you can get a custom tune and SO much more power/adjustments to mods.

[YNOT]

i actually had a custom dyno tune uploaded onto my diablo predator.

but handheld alone diablo predator was the best you could get for the 5.3 back in 2007, not sure if it's still the best now.

[05Yukon]

i actually had a custom dyno tune uploaded onto my diablo predator.

but handheld alone diablo predator was the best you could get for the 5.3 back in 2007, not sure if it's still the best now.

What did you have to do to get a custom tune done? Did it make a difference over the standard diablo tune?

[Denali---LQ]

diablo sport is really good ... they are really nice to deal with too

[YNOT]

What did you have to do to get a custom tune done? Did it make a difference over the standard diablo tune?

i bought the diablo new online and put there tune in for a little while. then i wanted more, so i had a local performance shop write a 91 oct tune and put it on the predator for me. huge difference.

[ELOOSECANNON]

Rick also plugs into the OBDII port and runs the vehicle in real world driving.

In my opinion, get a pro tune and let the cars computer adjust to the changing conditions. It can do it on its own much better than an in cockpit tuning box.
Unless you have years of tuning experience and HP Tuners software, you are wasting your time and endangering your vehicle.


A pro tune would certainly be the way to go, but not everyone has a shop in their area that does that kind of thing. Some of us live in very small towns and the closest thing to civilization is about a 3-4 hr drive. So a tuner is the way to go for some people.

[blueflamed03]

A pro tune would certainly be the way to go, but not everyone has a shop in their area that does that kind of thing. Some of us live in very small towns and the closest thing to civilization is about a 3-4 hr drive. So a tuner is the way to go for some people.
mail order one from blackbear....swap PCM or send them yours, get it tuned, and re-install. Or, cable scan tune...